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- Domestic & General (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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All refs fail WP:SIRS, so fails WP:NORG. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. UtherSRG (talk) 12:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Hi! Can I ask what the reason for this is? I'm happy to fix any issues
- Thanks Ecwdgbt (talk) 11:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: for reason given in nomination. The lack of independent sourcing makes the whole thing read like a press release. -- D'n'B-t -- 18:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi
- Please could you clarify what you mean by 'lack of independent sourcing'. The majority of the citations are from independent sources including Sky News, The Independent and The Financial Times. Certain points have been substantiated via the company's homepage and their annual report but this has also been done on HomeServe, Legal & General and Admiral Group.
- This is not supposed to act as a press release or as a marketing tool but appreciate your point. Would it benefit from adding in any new sections?
- Thanks in advance for your feedback! Ecwdgbt (talk) 16:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you take a look at the article in the independent, for example - the many, many external links in the article are via Linkby which indicates that Domestic and General are paying for them. Which is why there's so many external links - you wouldn't normally see that many in a newspaper article. It's an advertorial, not independent coverage. -- D'n'B-t -- 20:04, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for flagging this. I have removed the independent article as it is not an unbiased, reliable source. Ecwdgbt (talk) 12:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you take a look at the article in the independent, for example - the many, many external links in the article are via Linkby which indicates that Domestic and General are paying for them. Which is why there's so many external links - you wouldn't normally see that many in a newspaper article. It's an advertorial, not independent coverage. -- D'n'B-t -- 20:04, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: A prior discussion from 2018-9, touching on COI in the instance at the time but also on notability, can be read here. AllyD (talk) 12:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete: This is an odd one: a firm over 100 years old, whose products are used by 1/3 of UK households according to a 2019 Bloomberg item("Abu Dhabi Fund to Buy 30% of Domestic & General Group"), previously a plc but taken private then changing hands several times. But the problem is that despite their name recognition and near-ubiquity in domestic appliance warranty, there's not a lot of coverage outside announcements of the firm changing hands, which falls under trivial coverage at WP:CORPDEPTH. I am close to saying "But it's notable!" but unless better coverage can be found, would have to say it falls short on WP:NCORP. AllyD (talk) 14:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your feedback!
- Here are three topics aside from the firm taking hands that have led to coverage that I would argue isn't trivial.
- Offices
- https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/domestic--general-hopes-create-5084777
- https://www.standard.co.uk/business/domestic-general-flexible-working-london-hq-revamp-wfh-b942634.html
- https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/big-nottingham-employer-domestic-general-7422086
- Partnerships
- https://ertonline.co.uk/news/dg-agrees-five-year-aftercare-deal-with-marks-electrical/
- https://ertonline.co.uk/news/panasonic-and-dg-sign-a-six-year-deal/
- https://ertonline.co.uk/news/dg-agrees-three-year-deal-with-lg/
- https://ertonline.co.uk/news/hughes-partners-with-domestic-and-general/
- https://retailtimes.co.uk/domestic-general-extends-deal-with-john-lewis/
- Acquisitions
- https://www.cityam.com/american-adventure-continues-for-domestic-general-as-it-makes-second-acquisition/
- https://www.postonline.co.uk/news/7955324/dg-aims-to-create-uber-like-claims-experience
- https://www.warrantyweek.com/archive/ww20230629.html
- https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-wire-news-releases-pmn/domestic-general-group-to-acquire-after-inc
- In addition to this, the CEO Matthew Crummack has garnered lots of coverage over the years (see below):
- https://www.aston.ac.uk/latest-news/former-gocompare-ceo-donates-major-sum-create-opportunities-students-need
- https://newsnreleases.com/2021/08/04/matthew-crummack-joins-domestic-general-as-ceo/
- https://www.aston.ac.uk/about/governance-management/matthew-crummack
- https://www.postonline.co.uk/personal/7955323/big-interview-matthew-crummack-domestic-general
- https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/16007578
- Let me know what you think or if the article would benefit from any new sections to showcase its notability?
- Thank you! Ecwdgbt (talk) 16:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding the weight to be placed on items about offices, partnerships and acquisitions, see the Standard notices points under WP:CORPTRIV. The City AM piece is bylined, but is ultimately a summary of announcement PR quotes. Coverage about the present CEO is relative to that person more than the company. You ask about what can "showcase" notability; in a way that is indicative of the problem of an article contributed by an editor with connection to the company at present. What is lacking is the longer perspective: substantial coverage about the firm's history. AllyD (talk) 12:40, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep
I would argue that Domestic & General is newsworthy in its own right in particular when opening new offices and through its CEO Matthew Crummack. Not in the sense that the business inherits notability through Crummack, but that his decisions for the business are often of note in the media.
It is a global company that employs over 3000 people and partners with hundreds of manufacturers to provide appliance warranty to 1 in 3 homes in the UK. I understand that ubiquity in homes does not necessarily mean 'notability' but I would ask that some of the references sources are revisited as "reliable sources independent of the organization have given significant coverage to it".
Any articles that have been correctly flagged as being biased have been removed from this draft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecwdgbt (talk • contribs) — Ecwdgbt (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, It would be helpful if some of these new sources brought to the discussion were assessed to see if they can contribute to establishing some level of notability for this subject.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 02:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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